Upper Right x For Closing Palettes = Bad GUI

[Ann Shelbourne]

I am referring back to this thread so as to keep Ken Moore and his cronies
focussed on the problems which they have caused by their arrogance and hubris
in insisting on changing a first class existing GUI for their own inferior
creation.

Ken tries to excuse his incompetence by telling us that he didn't have "Time"
to get it right.

Great! So why did you change a perfectly good GUI in this version at all?

You could instead have opted to spend the next 18 months dickering with it
further and perhaps come-up with a workable design.

Now PLEASE just go back to work and write the code for a Preference which will
at least allow us to disable the confounded Maximized Screen Mode permanently.

Then work out how you are going to resolve the problems that your ill-placed
"Close" button is causing.

[Christina Wiley]

Could we cut the personal attacks, please?

[virtudesign]

[q][i]Originally posted by: [b][b]Danny Smythe[/b][/b][/i]
After doing some serious work, in CS3 for the last few days, I keep
accidentally closing the palette because the "x" in the upper right, is too
close to the contextual menu. I would vote to remove it. There is already an
"x" next to the name of the palette that does the same thing. Why the
redundancy?
[/q]
That is indeed annoying, I'm so used to seeing close window button on the top
left.

The look also reminds me of Microsoft Windows, why couldnt they make it more
Mac like instead of windows buttons? Or at least have an option to use CS2 GUI?

OT PS CS3 question:

Is there a way to move the palette windows to the second monitor to my left
like the way I have it in PS CS2? I just started to explore the PS beta.

[Danny Smythe]

Drag each palette window, one by one, over to the second monitor, and then close out the ones you don't use.

[virtudesign]

[q][i]Originally posted by: [b][b]Danny Smythe[/b][/b][/i]
Drag each palette window, one by one, over to the second monitor, and then
close out the ones you don't use.[/q]

thanks :) I thought there would be an easier way, like drag the whole set to
the 2nd monitor, but I guess that would be way too hard for Adobe to do.

[toby mushroom]

wow tough crowd! i'm on a mac and i for one like the minimize button on the
palettes. thanks to this button i can now place all the palettes into one tiny
pop-out menu on the right and maximize or minimize the palette i need at that
time. i tend to look at what i click on before i click it so i like the button.
thanks to this my entire palette menu is now as small as the new toolbar. it's
out of the way until i need them and this is a huge improvement since it
creates extra free space to work on your project(s).

i think the problem for mac users may be that we're used to the "3 buttons"
being on the left upper corner of windows. microsoft users are used to them
being on the upper right corner and they go from minimize to close "- _ X", on
mac it goes from "X - +" ... just my guess anyway.

[Danny Smythe]

It just doesn't make sense to have 2 "X' buttons, and place one of them so
close to the contextual menu button. I never accidentally closed a window in
CS2. The close proximity of the two buttons is the problem. Plus, I don't see a
need for a redundant Close button.
Another thing, why make us Mac users have to conform to Windoze. Windoze
always copies the Mac GUI, not the other way around.

[Ann Shelbourne]

Toby:

What monitor resolution are you working with?

Many of us use very high resolutions (1600 x 1200 ppi or 2048 x 1536 ppi in my
case).

The close proximity of that superfluous Close button to the Pop-out Menu
button becomes a very real problem if you work on a high-rez monitor.

[toby mushroom]

[q][i]Originally posted by: [b][b]Ann Shelbourne[/b][/b][/i]
Toby:

What monitor resolution are you working with?

Many of us use very high resolutions (1600 x 1200 ppi or 2048 x 1536 ppi in my
case).

The close proximity of that superfluous Close button to the Pop-out Menu
button becomes a very real problem if you work on a high-rez monitor.
[/q]


it depends, i have two displays. the ACD runs at 1680 X 1050 and the LaCie CRT
i toggle between 1400 X 1050 and 2048 X 1536.

[Chad Baker]

I've never been real happy that there was so much good stuff tucked under that
little triangle button. I think it should be a little easier for users to
discover, and I agree about the proximity of the close and options buttons on
high resolution displays. There are a lot of places in Photoshop that require
*at least* that level of precision, but those buttons, especially in Layers,
really get a lot of action.
Again, I'll pass along your concerns to the team.

[Danny Smythe]

Chad, thanks for acknowledging our concern!

[jimhere]

[q][i]Originally posted by: [b][b]Ken Moore[/b][/b][/i]
...Believe it or not, folks, we spend inordinate amounts of time trying to
balance the pros and cons of very minor interaction elements...[/q]
Why? It's worked well for years, so why debate drastic changes at all? Were
people really unable to complete paying work because of the UI of CS2?. At
least CS1's palette well etc didn't seem frivolous..

Many people (like me) belevie the only reason there's any change is because
Adobe feels like it. You guys are lucky to be working on the best software
title of all time. Isn't that enough? What, are you trying to put your own
stamp on it? Because, like v4's "scratch palette", your work WILL be replaced
someday.

[q][i]Originally posted by: [b][b]Chad Baker[/b][/b][/i]
...I agree about the proximity of the close and options buttons on high
resolution displays. There are a lot of places in Photoshop that require *at
least* that level of precision, but those buttons, especially in Layers, really
get a lot of action.
Again, I'll pass along your concerns to the team....[/q]
Thanks.
Sorry I'm so grumpy about all this, but like a lot of people, your day job
keeps our day jobs alive.